Date

  • Introduction from Lalit
    • Pulling data for SEDAC and ORNL from Datasite and cross checking with what SEDAC and ORNL are supplying.  Once the reconciliation is correct, there will no longer be a need to for these two DAACs to report their DOI counts
    • DOI process running smoothly. No issues to report


  • Demo from EED on how they want to update CMR to accomdate DOIs
    • How are DOIs being utlized in CMR? - Up to this point, CMR supports a single DOI
      • Looking to support multiple DOIs
        • Allow end users to disover all collections associated with a partoiclar project or campaign
        • Allow end users to cite a single DOI for a group of related data 
      • Discussed acceptance criteria for multple DOIs
      • A lot of interest in potential use cases
        • Referencing the main DOI instead of all the individual DOIs
        • Indexing... pull up a bunch of related references using one DOI
      • Regarding the Associated DOI list

        • from Debrah Smith -

          • is there no description or title associated with the associated DOIs? That would be helpful to distinguish them when there are multiple associated DOIs

          • I think ED Search users would need some instructions if they are going to know that the associated DOIs are pointing them to additional data resources. And to go back to Deborah's point, without knowing how they're related, it might not be as useful as it could be.

          • collection is such a multi use term.. How about we say data product and group of data products, and associated products?

        • from Nitin Arora -
          • I imagine they can pull the description for each associated DOI from CMR when the page builds so it's easy to get context.
        • from Beth Huffer -
          •  I'm really unclear about how to make use of this. If I create a doi for group of products, then should each product in the group have that doi as an associated doi? Or should I just list the dois for each member product in the associated doi field for each member?

          •  We might need some strict policies about how these associations can be used

        • from Amanda Leon

          • I'm generally concerned about the concept of a DOI to represent a group of data products. That's why I'm here today listing associated DOIs is a different thing in my mind (but also concerning due to maintenance)

    • Issue of maintenance was raised
      • How do you update a DOI in a collection?  Who will update that info?
      • Valerie commented that they are currently working on various potential options that could reduce maintenance... so don't assume the maintenance is going to be cumbersome, time, and resource consuming... as other methods are coming down the Pike.


  • Part 2 - Questionaire
    • Amanda Leon 
      • Are all airborne DAACs to tbe lumped into one group and be forced to do everything the same? 
        • No, they likely face similar challenges... but do not have to everything jointly
      • Provinence, metrics, and citation tracing - how do you do this?  There's a lot of issues here with being able to tell when your specific data has been cited.  Puts the oweness of tracing that on the PIs and the DAACs
        • suggests that the collection DOI should only be cited when every single product with in the collection is used.

      • I was wondering if a driver for this was airborne PIs/leads needing to broadly site the campaign (and data products) they were involve in - like a paper on the campaign. That is a different use case than a researcher trying to cite the data they actually used in their research.

    • Gao Chen

      • anyone contacted journals to see how they want the data be cited with data DOI(s)?

      • Many journals do not have requirements, someone need to work with them

      • We can talk amongst ourselves all we want... but have to find out what the journals are willing to accepts
      • Thomas Hearty - This paper uses a lot of datasets listed in Table 1 but none of them are cited with their DOIs: https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/30/14/jcli-d-16-0758.1.xml
    • Summary
      • Need to get a clear definition of "collection of collections"
      • There are two primary use cases
        • Search and discovery
        • Citation
      • There does seem to be a need for a collection/group DOI for search and discovery, but we have to find a way to resolve the metrics and the reproducibility problem associated with citation


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